Hello Prudence Thanks for your reply I am truly lost as I only have a census record to go by..Joseph Beaver said in the census ..place of Birth...on the Atlantic Ocean. There is no birth mother or anything to go on. He lived and married in Ontario birth date varies from 1798 to 1802 or so..Was there anyone in Your family that left England in that time period? you could e-mail me direct at beavera@telusplanet.net Thanks again. I would love to talk to you again and ask a few quetions.. Best wishes Alice